I can'TTT!
Why can't I do this? Why can't I finish writing Trailer Trash Teen?
I began it so long ago. It feels like a lifetime ago that I started this website and subsequently posted the first chapter of the story that has been in my heart for so, so long. I mean, I'm on like my twenty-billionth version of chapter 12! And I can't get it done. If I could just finish this chapter I know, I just know!, that I could finish the story. It's not like I don't know how I want the story to go, you know? I've always known... always!!! The problem is that I just don't know how to tell it anymore. I just... gosh, how can I tell it?!? :(
Sorry for the drama, but... who can I say this to? I mean... I've been feeling like this ever since I finished my little easy-to-write story, A Teen Slut's Saga. I mean, that was so cake. So fucking fun and simple and neat! TTT is a totally different monster.
And what's with my obsession with finishing a story that no one would ever publish; a story that's graphically pornographic; a story that is just... sick, a story no one even really likes?!? I mean... okay! I finsihed TSS, but did I really? No, I didn't. I got halfway through. Because yes, it does have a sequel in the works, a sequel I'm not sure I can ever finish (I'm about 2/3 of the way through).
Why am I so obsessed? And why do I always ask questions that I already know the answers to? Grrr...
On another topic, I have a new boyfriend! Yes, I know, you hate me. For a long (long) while now I've avoided serious relationships, and I know that plays into your fantasies of me being a total slut or whatever, and I don't mind that... in fact, I think that's part of the reason I've refrained from getting seriously involved with anyone for a while (since my last... nevermind. If you know you know, if you don't, then: Welcome to my site! :P).
He's incredibly smart, btw. Very, very smart. Too smart for me, actually, and mark my words, that's what will ruin us...! LoL, see?!? I've already doomed us!
But anyway! He manages the day-shift at a bookstore that's right next to the coffee-place near my work. Despite his current job he's got this sort of alpha-male thing about him, this sort of... domineering personality that really turns me on. He's not in the best of shape (he's actually a little hunky to be honest) but there's something about his... aura? Whatever. There's just something about him I find hot. His... sigh.
He doesn't know anything about me, though. The only reason he likes me is because I'm almost ten years younger than him, I'm skinny and attractive, and I'm an obvious victim looking for a new victimizer.
I just said a bunch of bad stuff about him! Let me be nicer:
1.) He's smart and aggressive and totally unpretentious!
2.) He's honest! You know, in a real way... he never BS's me, he's just... real. Shrugs!
3.) If he lost 30 pounds he could be Vin Deisel's stunt double. HONEST!
Obviously "Ali" has taken up a lot of my life recently... I spend all of my time with him, unless I'm working, but even then we text all the time... And the reason I'm typing here about him at 4am is because, obviously!, he was a jerk tonight. And I...
...grr.
He's Muslim. Last night I met his mother, not an American, and she hates me. I got into a fight with him about that last night. And then tonight, guess what I did? I did one of my private shows for good money given the short hours ($250!) and then went home and had the audacity to get mad that his mom would consider me a whore.
His mom thinks I'm a whore. My only defense can be that she doesn't know what a whore I am sometimes, you know?!? And these last two months since he's been with me, you know, I figured he didn't mind me not being Muslim, that he didn't mind what I did... I mean, he never asked! I never lied, I just never told him everything. But now, suddenly, he's a 30-something born-again Muslim, and he's asking me...
I can't even say it. Sorry, I need to log. I need to sleep!
-shannon-
~rambler!~
I began it so long ago. It feels like a lifetime ago that I started this website and subsequently posted the first chapter of the story that has been in my heart for so, so long. I mean, I'm on like my twenty-billionth version of chapter 12! And I can't get it done. If I could just finish this chapter I know, I just know!, that I could finish the story. It's not like I don't know how I want the story to go, you know? I've always known... always!!! The problem is that I just don't know how to tell it anymore. I just... gosh, how can I tell it?!? :(
Sorry for the drama, but... who can I say this to? I mean... I've been feeling like this ever since I finished my little easy-to-write story, A Teen Slut's Saga. I mean, that was so cake. So fucking fun and simple and neat! TTT is a totally different monster.
And what's with my obsession with finishing a story that no one would ever publish; a story that's graphically pornographic; a story that is just... sick, a story no one even really likes?!? I mean... okay! I finsihed TSS, but did I really? No, I didn't. I got halfway through. Because yes, it does have a sequel in the works, a sequel I'm not sure I can ever finish (I'm about 2/3 of the way through).
Why am I so obsessed? And why do I always ask questions that I already know the answers to? Grrr...
On another topic, I have a new boyfriend! Yes, I know, you hate me. For a long (long) while now I've avoided serious relationships, and I know that plays into your fantasies of me being a total slut or whatever, and I don't mind that... in fact, I think that's part of the reason I've refrained from getting seriously involved with anyone for a while (since my last... nevermind. If you know you know, if you don't, then: Welcome to my site! :P).
He's incredibly smart, btw. Very, very smart. Too smart for me, actually, and mark my words, that's what will ruin us...! LoL, see?!? I've already doomed us!
But anyway! He manages the day-shift at a bookstore that's right next to the coffee-place near my work. Despite his current job he's got this sort of alpha-male thing about him, this sort of... domineering personality that really turns me on. He's not in the best of shape (he's actually a little hunky to be honest) but there's something about his... aura? Whatever. There's just something about him I find hot. His... sigh.
He doesn't know anything about me, though. The only reason he likes me is because I'm almost ten years younger than him, I'm skinny and attractive, and I'm an obvious victim looking for a new victimizer.
I just said a bunch of bad stuff about him! Let me be nicer:
1.) He's smart and aggressive and totally unpretentious!
2.) He's honest! You know, in a real way... he never BS's me, he's just... real. Shrugs!
3.) If he lost 30 pounds he could be Vin Deisel's stunt double. HONEST!
Obviously "Ali" has taken up a lot of my life recently... I spend all of my time with him, unless I'm working, but even then we text all the time... And the reason I'm typing here about him at 4am is because, obviously!, he was a jerk tonight. And I...
...grr.
He's Muslim. Last night I met his mother, not an American, and she hates me. I got into a fight with him about that last night. And then tonight, guess what I did? I did one of my private shows for good money given the short hours ($250!) and then went home and had the audacity to get mad that his mom would consider me a whore.
His mom thinks I'm a whore. My only defense can be that she doesn't know what a whore I am sometimes, you know?!? And these last two months since he's been with me, you know, I figured he didn't mind me not being Muslim, that he didn't mind what I did... I mean, he never asked! I never lied, I just never told him everything. But now, suddenly, he's a 30-something born-again Muslim, and he's asking me...
I can't even say it. Sorry, I need to log. I need to sleep!
-shannon-
~rambler!~
Labels: stuff about me
posted by Shannon at 3:52 AM
57 Comments:
I always wondered why there wasn't an ending for the first story. You have to finish it, I'm too damn curious now!
Of all the ways Shannon's perverse life story would end up, I never imagined she would end up dating a Muslim.
And is he asking her to marry him? And to convert? Wear a veil and bow to Allah five times a day, submit to the will of her husband at all times? Oh man, of all the turns I thought Shannon's life could take, this one definetely surprised me the most.
Hey Shannon...
I can't advise you on the Muslim guy, but maybe this will help you with your frustration about your story.
To me, writing fiction is much more like excavating something. You've found something completely interesting to you want you want to dig it up and take a look at it, because it could be one HELL of an amazing find if it's going where you think it's going. Except in wordslinging, the excatavion is in your head. It'll never really leave. It can go on the back burner for months or years, but at some point down the road you get a new idea or a new way to look at a scene and it's fresh salt in an old, open wound. When you can't write? When you know what's supposed to happen but not the right path to take there? That's like Howard Carter digging up Tut's tomb and hitting a slab of concrete. It's frustating. And this might not help, but don't be stressed that you feel the need to finish this story. Every good storyteller--once they nibble at the bait--feels compelled to finish that thing, that wonderful little tale they've found buried inside their head.. if nothing else, to have it stop gnawing at them day and night. You're not alone.
And incidentally, calling TTT (or were you referring to TSS? I'm not really sure...) a "story that no one even really likes" ?? I think the fans of this site may have to disagree with you on that...
Shannon-
Most authors have a block from time to time. The only surprising thing is that you haven't had one before now. Let it go for a while; you already know where it is going, the rest will come.
As far as Ali, I am sorry. I have no advice to give that wouldn't sound cold and analytical. If you decide that is what you want, pull my profile up. And, once again, glad you are still around, so please get that rest.
My dear sweet shannon,
I belive the unfinished story is your reason for returning to FF, that is to say you prefer to have a reason or excuse for your actions.It also so goes to explain your need for Alpha males. Thats ok with me because i love to read your work. You write from the heart about the deepest and darkest desires imaginable. When added to the fact your life seems to be a mirror of your work; it all becomes so surreal. About the writers block don't worry when you reach that place in your life where your soul needs to express its self the words will fall into place. Till then just write your blog and we will continue to watch the best story you have ever written unfold.
p.s. I lay odds that Ali will last about another month.
Oh My God.
I hate to sound in any way rascist, because I'm honestly not, but I hope you're going to be REALLY careful with this muslim guy. It hasn't been that long since four British lads, good solid guys, one of them a teacher and a respected community leader who helped keep muslim kids out of trouble with the police, got brainwashed and blew themselves up in the tubes. Then, not long ago, they were marching through the streets of London with "Europe, your 9/11 will come" written on signs. I used to think British muslims were just like me, except they didn't believe in Christmas. Now I realise that they are different and scary... and increasingly the so called 'religion of peace' is very far from that.
As I claimed earlier, I'm not rascist. If you'd been dating a black guy, an asian guy, an indian guy... I wouldn't bat an eyelid. People are people, good or bad, despite what colour their skin is.
But this muslim guy... You will never be accepted into his world. His parents will always think you're a whore. Not because you're a stripper or a slut, but because you're white and American.
Attack and insult me all you want. I was living in New York in 2001 and London last year, so my only experience of muslim 'culture' has been the two occasions in which they tried to murder me - and thousands like me. They even murdered other muslims.
Be very careful. You say you're a victim and he's a victimizer... Remember that muslim culture is the most sexist and abusive towards women in the entire world. To them women are cattle and property, nothing more. And you are even less that that, because you're not a muslim woman.
Shannon, if life was meant to be easy it would be boring. You are obviously very intelligent as shown in your stories. You dont avoid any subject that others would. In reference to your bf only you can decide what to do. I haven't spoke to my family in 8years because they didnt like my gf. We have been together 9 years and i made the right decision. I wish you luck.
the ppl who start with "im not a *** but..." tend to be what they say they are not.
SHANNON:
I'm pretty sure that you are unable to finish your story as an unconcious way to submit yourself to the same part of your personality that leads you to relate to that tyrannical and puritanical Muslim mother; i.e., you have your own puritan inside yourself. It is a part of your personality as authentic as the other one, the one you call the "slut". Do not worry: we, your "fans", love both aspect of you. And we will wait for your literary abilities to come back sooner or later.
Marmaduke
To the absolute idiots who have written above about the "muslim" world and attitudes.
What a dumb bunch of fucks you really are. Islam is a peaceful religion, and although (as all cultures do) it prefers its young to marry within its culture. The muslim faith however respects other faith's. What you guys are all subjected to is the US media interpretation of what it means to be a muslim. And by its very nature television never provides a balenced picture. America was subjected to a terrible, awful, attack on September 11th. but this was NOT an act of a true muslim. These were the acts of islamic fundamentalists who are using an out of date 7th century interpretation of the Qu'ran. Can I remin you that in the christian world, i could interpret the bible in the same way. But I would be compelled to execute homosexuals, murder my mother for wearing polyester clothes, and put to death all the staff that I have working over the sabbeth. But you dont condemn christians? Yet undoubtedly there are a minority of christian fundamentalists - like the MINORITY of islamic fundamentalists - who think this way. You wouldnt paint us christians with one brush, but will apply a double standard to muslims?
That, guys, is called RACISM. its pure, unadulterated, undiluted racism.
I come here becuase I adore shannon - i adore her writing, her passion, i adore her libralism and I adore even more the fact that she likes this "ali" for who he is and is not put off by the faith he happens to hold.
His mother - she has a cultural problem here. She is probably fighting against feelings that have been instilled into here and her forebears for centuries. Give her time. And dont listen to the racist fucks who have sat here and criticised a man becuase of his FAITH - you shannon, have obviously seen the MAN and not the stereotypes.
OH - and to those of you who were so uncharitable before - - remember that if you beleive a muslim stereotype, you must beleive all of them. Beleive all blondes are dumb, beleive the irish and the polish are stupid, and that the English are snobs - but those of us in the real world - who live in the real world - know just how much of that is bullshit.
Thunderer
We don't know fer sure that Shannon is not Black.Asin.or Native American. We all have a vision of her in our minds eye and I would be willing to bet that most of us see her the same. Small in build. blonde to dirty blonde hair, with blue/green eyes. Wearing a tee shirt and jeans (Shorts in the summer) For anyone to make a judgment on who she dates is a lite bit over the edge I would think. Hope I did not bust anyone's bubble out there. I will still see her in my minds eye as that blonde haired blue eyed girl (sorry Shannon I just don't see you as a woman yet in this perverted mind) Glad things are comin up roses for ya.
Hi Shannon,
My first responce to your site,
love your stories,
but since you broght up your boy friend,
What Thunder said is true about islam: It is a religion of peace, as it is writen down by the Prophet.,but the problem is the individuals that follow it tend to follow the uttereances of the clergy, and those People seem to interperet the writings in their own personal political lights.
Be very carfull, if your man suddenly wants you to change that is not a good sign.
every time I have seen this happen with friends of mine,(ie the sudden insistance that the non musslim change, it has endded baddly), be carfull.
T'
It is good to hear from you again Shannon. I do not know about anyone else, nor would I want to try to speak for others, but I enjoy TTT immensely. I am confident that you will finish it eventually, but you can't force it, you have to let it come at its own time. Otherwise you will never be satisfied with it.
As far as your relationship with 'Ali' it seems to me from what you posted that you are not satisfied with the current situation. It is up to you as you know, but if you want it to work you will have to talk with him about the expectations you both have and see where the common ground lies (cliche I know, but true all the same.)
I know you don't place much stock in it, but know that I and I am sure others pray and hope for your happiness. I look forward to hearing from you again in the future.
A faithful fan,
~los
Islam
It is the "religon of peace".
If you dont believe so and or wont convert we will cut your head off and kill your family.
Alah Akbar
Hey, I guess I must be one of the "dumb fucks" The Thunderer is complaining about... I'm a 'dumb fuck' because I draw my own conclusions about people, instead of believing whatever it is Micheal Moore tells me, or I read on the internet. Sorry for having a mind of my own, Buddy. I know it threatens people like you.
I remind you. I was in New York in 2001 and London last year. Earlier this year, I watched a guy dressed as a suicide bomber protest in the streets of London warning Europe that their 9/11 will come. All over some fucking cartoons.
You might be all high and mighty and even handed, sitting behind your computer screen. My experiences of "the religion of peace" have been experiences filled with black smoke, choking ash, screams and tears.
But what Anonymous wrote underneath The Thunderer's rant is right on the money. We don't REALLY know anything about Shannon or this 'ali' guy. This 'ali' guy might have been born 'Bob' and come from Italian/Irish stock and have a domineering Catholic mother, but he converted to Islam and changed his name to Ali. So the mother who's being such a bitch to Shannon, and who thinks she's a whore, is actually a catholic. And let's face it, if we're talking racial stereotypes, the catholic mother who thinks all non catholic girls are whores is a perfect one.
I love your site Shannon, but this guy, no matter how much you want it to. He really doesn't seem like the type for you. He's too prim and proper, at least from what I understand your saying. Disregarding the muslim culture, his family simply does not approve of what your doing and I don't know if he would if he found out about all the stuff your doing. Unless this man is veyr understanding, you two will go nowhere. I actually do think it may be time for you to sit back and stay with one man though, but this guy may not be him.
Hey, cheer up. No matter what happends we will be behind you.
M
I second 'M'. No matter what happens, we have loved your work, and we will be here to support you. I don't know if these words mean anything since you will probably never see us or meet us, but do keep in mind that we are real people with real feelings typing these words for you.
About 'Ali' I don't want to jump into racist/PC bandwagon. All I will say is that when someone wants you to convert into his faith and he is 'an alpha male with domineering type' and is of a religion which happens to be not exactly the most gender based equality preaching one, then you really got to use all your common sense and be really careful moving ahead.
Okay wow.
I love the people who are like "I am not racist!" and then go on comparing being "black" to being "Muslim"
Yes, because islam is a matter of race :;stroke chin thoughtfully::
Okay, let me put it to you this way. I am Jewish. I have more reason than probably anyone on these boards to be 'racist' (lolzor) towards someone who follows Islam.
But I'm not... You know, and I know you know, that Terrorists are to Islam as the Mafia (or the IRA) is to Catholicism. I know you know, I've seen some of your posts in regards to politics, but it needed to be said.
With it said, this is a matter about you, and him. He is another person, another person to whom you relate. Whatever ties and baggage he has is a collection of ties and baggage. His opinion of you dancing, is no different than your opinion of him doing (item A) that you might disagree with on moral grounds. I can't think of something at the moment, but ...
That is to say, what I'm trying to illustrate is, this is something you two need to work out. His mother is irrelevant, unless one of you -makes- it relevant. If you want to quit dancing for others because he wants you to, you're not being cheap, or selling out, it means you're changing part of your life style to fit in better with someone else. If he wants you to give up your beliefs, wants you to submit religiously (I doubt he would, but if he does), then that's probably going too far... I don't think it'd hurt to explore his religion and see what's inside it, but equally it wouldn't hurt (except economically) to consider giving up the dancing, for him, if -he- is worth it to you.
This nonsense about religion and racism and all that crap, it's merely background noise, and you -know- that, somewhere inside. It's about you, and him, and how you relate. That's -all- it's about. That's all.
One doesn't have to be a muslim to feel uncertain, or icky, about the way their Significant Other presents themselves to others, or even more than that, might go dancing for other men...
On an unrelated note, I suggest you find a small graphic novel called "Unlikely or How I Lost my Virginity" as I believe there are elements within that you'll find yourself identifying with.
thanks for reading, if you did. Though maybe these people already turned you off.
M
You wrote:
"Terrorists are to Islam as the Mafia (or the IRA) is to Catholicism"
What utter bullshit.
The IRA committed terrorist acts to free Northern Island from the British. And after a while, to fill their pockets with the proceeds of drug and arms trading.
The Mafia originated trying to free Sicily from French occupation. And after a while, they filled their pockets with the proceeds of racketeering, prostitution, smuggling and drug trading.
The IRA and the Mafia were catholic. However, they never claimed to do what they did for the sake of the Catholic Faith.
Fundementalist Muslims flew planes into the world trade centre and blew themselves up in the London and Madrid subway in the name of Allah and "the religeon of peace."
We are told the terrorists are merely a very small minority, unrepresentative of the Muslim faith.
However, the police in Iran, following Iranian law, in a Muslim country (therefore ABSOLUTELY representative of Muslim society) recently flogged a 14 year old boy to death for eating in public during the holy month of Ramadan.
According with law set forth by "the religeon of peace" the boy was struck 85 times with thick metal wire, which cracked his skull and killed him.
If you follow Islam and "the religeon of peace" you are condoning a religeon which feels it's acceptable to stone to death a hungry teenage boy.
Don't follow the PC Hype. Look at the facts and draw your own conclusions.
Well, I guess I'll speak up for the Islam side of things, seeing how the other side is spoken for... I guess.
I'm a muslim and don't usually talk in any discussion of religion on the internet because it's sometimes scary knowing anything you put out there can be traced back to you and it might expose me to something bad. I'm not sure what, but a thousand scenarios cross mine and many of my muslim brethren.
Anyway, I don't know about religion of peace or anything like that, as far as I can tell any religion is a religion of peace. And generally, any war or ideal driven killing will wrap itself in some sort of rightousness to justify itself and that includes religion.
Okay, anyway, I read pornographic stories. I write pornographic stories. I view porn. Some fellow muslims do too, some don't. Some preach that I will burn in hell for doing what I do, and like a good little boy who is afraid of hellfire, I do feel pangs of guilt, remourse, and fear that what I do for pleasure is not always right. I also do a bit of hypocritic self-justification.
In the end, I gratify myself anyway because I can't get that kind of gratification anywhere else. In all that I have the same common thread as any other human being on the planet.
If you think Islam has made me into some other type of human being with the potential to do a hideous act just because of my faith, you have something serously wrong with you.
Continued in part two about Ali.
About Ali, speaking from my perspective, I have been seriously attracted to a few girls who fall into the "slut" category. Now I might be "purer" than Ali. I was a virgin until marriage. I married a virgin muslim girl. Unless you count porn, I have never been unfaithfull, and porn has always been non-live (no dancing, live shows, phone chat, etc.). My parents are conservative, but they turn a blind eye to the porn.
So I'm probably a bit more conservative than Ali. But anyway, I have dated girls who were not virgins, and have gone out with girls who were nowhere near virgins. I have been asked out (or just to bed) by many girls and some of them had quite a lot of sexual experience.
As a muslim, it's not a matter of domination over a woman. Not for me, not for any muslim I know. I am a jealous person and culturaly it's less frowned on than if I was a white christian guy, but I know I get weak and crazy for a girl just like any other human being. So when I really like a girl, I am willing to sacrifice a lot just to be with her. But eventually reality sets in and I know that if she's not conservative, I'm just bringing her into a culture that will cause her too much burden. At the same time, my heart tugs with all the passion and keeps me from moving on.
Some muslims are able to keep it simple and either move on, or sacrifice other ties to create a culture of two with the girl they love. Others take a little time. I know plenty of muslims who have married christian girls. Some have a dual religion houshold, some have one religion or the other.
And plenty of muslims marry girls with "spotty" backgrounds. The one thing that's different is that almost all of them have strained or broken relationship with their families for marrying outside the religion, and if Ali is close enough to his parents to take you to them and fight with you after their dissaproval, he is likely to choose their side eventually.
I am sorry, but that's my assesment from my own experience. Not that it counts for all that much, but I just wanted to tell you what I've seen.
But depending on how you feel about the relationship, I will add. Communication beats all. I don't mean stupid "lay all cards on the table" honesty that most people think is communication, but a more nuanced, diplomatic communication that lays out your hopes and dreams and perspective on things (without lying). If you like him, you can get through to him. And then there's a chance.
But, I guess that's true in all relationships.
I think a comparison that is far more appropriate to state is that:
Islamic fundamentalisim is to Islam, as the KKK is to Christianity.
I can respect that some people can form their own opinions, such as "the big red one" has, but basing those opinions on the acts of the few to judge the many is plain ludicrous.
Now I dont know about "michael moore", but I can tell you that I was in New York on Sept 11th, I was in Madrid on 11th march, and 4 of my employees were injured in London in July. However, being there doesnt make me an expert on Islam.
My masters degree in religious philosophy, and 5 years of business in the middle east and asia and the fact that I have read the qu'ran (which I suspect is more than most others ahve bothered to do before offering condemnation) I think I am more than qualified to say that most adherants to Islam are peaceful people, much the same as you or I.
Bus hey, Appartently I am unable to form my own opinions so make what you will of what I've just said...
TH.
Shannon,
Happy to say I have absolutely no opinion on your boyfriend -- you guys will either find something that works for you or you won't. That's Love for you, and best of luck with it. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same...
Regarding TTT, may I suggest that perhaps you've simply grown beyond it? It happens. Chekhov never published "Platonov," his first play, even though he repeatedly took it out of his drawer and worked on it until his death. More similarly, perhaps (because you both publish in installments) Charles Dickens had a helluva time getting Edwin Drood to work (and then, of course, died).
You may simply relate better now to TSS than TTT and -- though you say you think you know where to go with TTT -- it's probably more of an intellectual exercise for you now than one that's connected with your passions.
Just a thought.
I'm a HUGE fan of TTT, and I can't wait to read the conclusion......it's easily my favorite story. HOWEVER, if you're having trouble finishing it, don't FORCE it right now. Just set it aside, and when the time is right, a clear idea will appear, and then you'll have it. Don't rush a good thing!!!
Writer's block is generally caused by a kind of - literal - mental block. It's your unconcious way of telling you that something's wrong. It might be the plot. It might be the way one of your characters is behaving. Read through your entire manuscript and hopefully you should see that something's not quite right and then you can fix it.
The problem with writing is you tend to get fully immersed in one particular chapter or sequence. Sometimes, when you back out and look at the big picture, it all comes into focus.
When I write, I force myself to sit down and plot out the entire story beforehand. It's like putting a skeleton together. You've got to have that basic framework to add flesh to. Very few writers can sit down and start typing "chapter one" and then finish their story without planning it out.
I recommend taking one page per chapter and writing out, in maybe 100 words, what's going to happen in that chapter. Then move onto the next one, on a clean page.
Once you've got your skeleton, you can go back and flesh it out.
Finally, when you sit down and write the chapter, you know EXACTLY what's going to happen in it.
Honestly, it works! Say goodbye to Writer's Block!
Shannon, so happy at your happiness, but I to need to warn you. Friend of mine was totally into a Muslim guy, and he into her, and there was nothing you could say bad about her, outside of the fact that she was blonde, Christian, and not the same ethinicity. The family worked in mass to break it up, and finally both gave into the pressures. Just enjoy it while you can... and maybe you can prove us nasayers wrong.
And don't worry about the inability in finishing... when you're read it will come to you...
One has to ask onesself ,"Am I writing a comedy or a tradgedy?" If a comedy, be REALLY, REALLY careful with the timing and punch line(s). If a tradgedy, be as reckless as you desire.
Oh dear god, you can't just say he's asking you to do something and then not say what it is! ARGH! ok, sorry, I understand it's your life, totally understanding of that, you're just killing us with the suspense. Many of us here came to the site because of TTT, it was just such a brutally real story that many of us began to feel that real obscene hatred for some of the characters using and abusing people. Do what feels right to you, do what calls out to you. If that means putting it away for another day, then do it, many of us will still be waiting when you decide to show it to us.
Far as Ali goes, no one, and I mean, no one ever listens to me even though I'm rarely wrong, I've got about a 98% success rate at seeing events in relationships coming. Although race and religion are factors they don't decide everything, but how the guy conducts himself does decide a whole hell of alot and this just smells like a bad situation. Course I would need to observe for more specific input, but from what you're telling us. This sounds like a somebody is just gonna end up getting hurt. Be very careful and keep a clear head.
So, here I was checking this site to see if there was a new chapter, and I find this whole discussion.
Boy, where to weigh in... So, like a similar poster, I'm Muslim. I'm also an American, born here, thank you. I also read porn. And like a similar poster, I have no idea whether I'll go to hell for it or not.
Here's my comments on the Ali thing. Couple years back, I met this nice Christian girl. I wasn't a virgin, and neither was she. Fact of the matter was, she had a kid. I fell in love. She did too. I told my parents that I was dating her (not the first white Christian girl I've dated, or slept with, incidentally). My Mother didn't talk to me for nine months. I did get emails. Boy, did I get emails. All about sin, hellfire, and damnation. Well, I married that girl. I have a wonderful step-daughter. I've been married a few years now. My mother finally agreed to meet my wife this past year. We were there for two days. My mother didn't speak to my wife once. Know what? All that is because of what my mother thinks. It's not what I think (but then, remember, I'm a very, very "liberal" Muslim) and it's not what my wife thinks. My wife understands that her mother in law will never be her friend.
To give you a comparative view, my brother married a Muslim a few years before I met my future wife. He brought her home to my Mother. After she left, my Mother's first words were "I didn't realize she was so... BLACK." (My brother's wife is a mix of North African and Carribean)
Just goes to show, it's really not about who the woman is, just that there's a woman taking her sons away.
My comments to you are as follows. First, whether Ali was born here will matter a lot. Honestly, there are a lot of idiot Muslim men out there. There's at least as many as there are idiot Italian men. Second, how attached to his family is he? If a lot, you need to worry. Muslim mothers are like Jewish mothers are like Catholic mothers in that guilt is their favorite weapon. Third, how much do you care for him? Seems to me you're trying to doom the relationship. Don't. My wife and I, we said at the start that we wanted a long term thing. We also said we'd communicate, clearly, honestly, and always. We have, for the most part, and it's why we're still married. I suggest the same to you, regardless of what man you date. Just my 50 cents.
Folks,
For those who say Islam is a religion of peace...
Have you ever even read the Koran? You know, the suras that say it's OK to kill an infidel if he refuses to listen to the message brought by the Prophet? Or the ones that say it's OK to kill an apostate? Or... I'd give you sura and verse, but my Koran's stashed away somewhere and again, am too lazy to dig it out.
Also, remember this religion of peace was first spread through... the sword. Now, this is not a judgement but history. How did Islam spread after Muhammad's death? In fact, how did Islam spread through the Arabian Peninsular during Muhammad's time? Go look it up.
Re: the Crusades. Ever wonder why the Crusaders had to retake the "Holy Land" from the "heathens"? Well, ask yourself what the muslims were doing in Palestine in the first place and how they got there since the 7th century. Again, look up the history books.
I WILL agree that for the majority of Muslims, they are peaceful people and most of my friends who are Muslims reject the way this violent minority is behaving... but that's different from calling Islam a "religion of peace". (BTW, I am neither white nor living in a Western country. I live in a country where Islam is the dominant religion but am not a Muslim).
As for the poster who tried to liken Christian fundamentlists to Muslim fundamentalists: dude, you're drawing from the Old Testament. Go read the New Testament and see where you are commanded to "execute homosexuals, murder my mother for wearing polyester clothes, and put to death all the staff that I have working over the sabbeth". Yes, the Old Testament/Torah contains a lot of stuff that is similar to the Koran... which is why the New Testament only contains the greatest commandment: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind/might" (forgot which) and "Love your neighbour as yourself".
(Sorry for posting anonymously but I forgot my login and am too lazy to start a new one)
Wow... when did this place become a forum to discuss religion? I come here to explore the occasional darker fantasy with my girlfriend but it seems things . Well, I happen to teach history (and occasionally religious education) at a high school level, so allow me try and clear up some misconceptions.
I *have* read the Koran. The Koran does give injunctions to fight if necessary, but it also specifically states that if people seek peace that this should be accepted, because God does not love aggressors.
The myth that Islam was spread through the sword has been debunked many times over. No tiny army out of Arabia ever made a conquest from Spain to the reaches India in the space of a few decades through might alone. Yes, there were undoubtedly battles, just as human beings have always fought.
During Muhammad's lifetime, he always asked for the peace to spread his message, but he was physically and mentally tormented for it until he was forced to flee his home, Mecca, to a nearby city called Medina whose inhabitants largely accepted his message.
This city was attacked from all sides, yet when the Muslims would eventually return to Mecca, the city Muhammad and his followers had been driven from, he remarkably allowed no blood to be shed against those who had persecuted them. That's rather magnanimous and a sign of mercy.
Regarding the Crusades, it is established fact that Jews, Christians and Muslims lived and worshipped alongside each other in relative harmony prior to them. When the Crusaders came and conquered Jerusalem, Christian observers report rivers of blood flowing in the streets -- blood of non-Christians, that is.
Islam is a religion which seeks to provide peace for its people and the world at large. Have there been Muslims with violent agendas? Yes, as much as any other people.
This kind of scaremongering against the Other, is just translated anti-Semitism. It's no longer acceptable to criticise Jewish people, so instead of seemingly reasonable arguments about how Jews are secretly stealing and gathering up our money, we have seemingly reasonable arguments about how Muslims have an inherent violence embedded in them.
Let's not forget the atrocities of the Inquisition, or ethnic cleansing in the Americas by so-called Christians. Let's not forget liberal democracy at work when the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Let's not forget the nerve gas attacks in Japan's subways committed by Buddhist extremists. Do these historical events mean Christianity, liberal democracy, and Buddhism are inherently violent? No, of course not. Trying to extrapolate a proof that Muslims are from historical events is stupid. Wake up and smell the coffee. Human beings of all faiths and ideologies have killed each other for all sorts of reasons, using lofty ideas to try and justify themselves. This is not exclusive to any one person or group. It doesn't mean the faiths and ideologies are always necessarily evil or wrong.
With regards to Shannon specifically:
I think it's patently obvious that you're deeply unhappy and trying to find love in all sorts of strange places instead, usually expressed through sex. Stripping is a type of sexual service, and most cultures (even our own) liken it to prostitution in one way or another, without accepting either as an acceptable way of making a living. How many of you here would welcome finding out that your mother/daughter/sister was stripping? Honestly?
I won't make any moral judgements of my own beyond saying that I think you (Shannon) need to look at trying to make yourself happy in a way that has nothing to do with needing relationships or sex/sex-related activities. I suspect the sexual encounters and stripping have something to do with a chronic lack of self-esteem and feelings of being unloved. I think you need to learn to make yourself happy first, without other people and sex. Please always remember: your happinness and self-worth is not dependent on what other people do to you.
Here's the thing. There is a HUGE disconnect between people like the UK School Teacher, Westernized Muslims, and the majority of Muslims in the world.
Islam is a religion of peace -- because in Islam, peace means submission to the will of Allah. Peace is the end result of Islam -- when every dissenter is silenced. When people talk about it, interpret what they say VERY CAREFULLY. For instance, people will say that "people of the book" (Christans + Jews) are protected under Islam... this is totally true. They are protected as long as they acknowledge that Islam is the superior religion, that they don't try to convert anybody, that they don't build churches higher than local mosques, etc. Look it up, it's called dhimmi.
Islam is a religion of peace -- because they think the only way for there to be peace is to have a Muslim government. And they're right -- if everybody in the world was Muslim there would be peace, probably. It's so fucking twisted... it's just like the old fashioned Christian tradition of burning witches because you want to save them. We're saving them by burning them! And Muslims say we're bringing peace by conquering you and showing you the wonder of Islam! Seriously.
Don't take my word for it, go READ stuff that real Muslims write. Not these pansy westernized ones who don't even understand their own religion. Go to a website like chowk.com or dawn.com, which are based in Pakistan (one of the largest Muslim countries) but are english language (the non-english ones are much more hardcore). Read their incredibly twisted words.
God and one last thing, to the UK school teacher. Mohammed was VERY generous in his victories, wasn't he. Yes he was. How about that time when he told his soldiers it was perfectly okay to relieve their sexual tensions by fucking the widows of the people they had just killed... as long as they pulled out in time. What a generous guy! What an uplifter of women!
His mother, like many mothers of generations past (and sadly, some of today, particularly from less cosmopolitan society) probably hates you because you're not the kind of girl (i.e. not a muslim girl, or of the same race, or what have you) that he imagined his son marrying.
She'll come around. That, or she'll at least be less unbearable. Or something.
Go watch Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story, or something.
It is unbelievable able how many of you rare still under the conception that this a actually a girl....I guess the saying is true
a sucker born every minute...good luck
man some people are really racist here man...
http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=61751
The UK Religeon Teacher is just spouting the limp-wristed, liberal propoganda shoved down our throats in the UK. As one of the others posters quite rightly pointed out - all you have to do is READ what REAL MUSLIMS write to work out what a horrible, violent religion it is. Don't hate muslims, though. They're the victims of centuries of brainwashing.
Check this website out:
www.memritv.org
you will be horrified, trust me
okay, I'm the original muslim commentor. Just wanted to check back and see what happened when I ran into all this racist bull tripe. Since there are so many hate filled people willing to scrawl all over this comment list, I wanted to add a few things.
I KNOW what my religion is about. I KNOW the people who practice it. I eat with them, I pray with them, I am friends with them. The people who are crapping all over the thread have seen muslims a hundred times more on TV and the internet than in real life.
Some hick in some poor podunk country doesn't know Islam more than me. Calling me limp wristed and clueless doesn't actually make sense for somebody who actually wants peace or thinks s/he is on the side of peace and rationality.
Death for apostacy is a matter of hot debate. 90% of the muslim world has rejected the notion. Scholarly work has been published showing that it was based on improper interpretation of a dictate about treaty breakers during war, not about rejecters of Islam. Some country in the boonies, that wouldn't know proper scholership if a University fell out of the sky and landed on their heads, speaks as much about Islam as Deliverance-land ass raping, cousin loving hicks speak for Christianity.
Pakistan is one of the smaller muslim countries, by size, population, etc. etc. 20% of muslims live in the middle east.
For all the talk about it being a bloody religion, less people have been killed in the name of Islam per adherants to the religion than almost any religion. The only other religion which might even rank in there is Judaism, and it never had near the population nor power Islam had.
On and on and on... You people are just frothing at the mouth, you don't know anything.
Actually, I think the 'limp wristed' comment was to the teacher, not to your posts.
is this the end of this collection??????????
I read one of your chats the other night and I must say that I was not disappointed to see that your just an attention whore who wants to fuck anything that moves just to gain goods, no matter if the guy is with some one or not.. great way to tout business shannon.. tell em you will have phone sex if they buy you something, then log off quick when they say no they are with some one. Quickly moved on to the next guilible fool eh.
i say make the sequil 2 the first one i loved it i havent finnished reading it yet but i know im gonna b reading it again when im done and u shouldnt feel like theres anything wrong with the story cause theres not oh and glad u got a bf good 4 u i just got a gf myself i hope things work out 4 ya keep on writing amazing stories ; )
Perhaps the reason you can't finish TTT is that there isn't sufficient motivation for the characters' actions. You call TSS little, easy-to-write, simple and neat, but overall I think TSS is the better crafted of the two stories. TSS dedicates more text to the characters' motivation, and their motivation is mostly psychological. Also, TSS follows a steady path through its plot: the action in each chapter builds credibly on what came before it.
In contrast, motivation in TTT is more circumstantial (e.g. Tina needs money). It's easy to write that way, because you can always make up a circumstance to drive the plot where you want it to go. The drawback is that if you do it too much it become Deus ex Machina, which isn't compelling.
In TTT, the plot doesn't run smoothly: it careens from chapter to chapter. In ch 1-3, Tina has sex with kids around her own age, more or less consensual, more or less in control. Then ch 4 and WHAM! she's being DP'd by a pimp for desperately needed money.
Things run at that level for a while and then from (almost) nowhere comes this huge traumatic flashback. If you are going to ground the character in flashback, there needs to be lots of foreshadowing in the preceeding chapters (cf. Snowden in Catch-22). Otherwise, it's just a story that doesn't make sense because it is told out of order.
If this is why you can't finish the story, you may have to go back and rewrite before you can move forward again.
Oh, and watch out for superlatives, like "incredibly". Mark Twain offers this advice:
Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very";
your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.
For all the advice...fuck it. I'm also a writer. For all the debate, fuck that too. I also have opinions.
I will only wish you luck. Good luck in all you do. We wish to hear from you again soon.
-your fan in Korea
So.. did the Muslim dude convert her?
... mmm ... btw thunderer ...
the thing about islam is not
the religion, per se, but the
culture, which is long steeped
in generations of repressive
practices that are intended
to subjugate the female spirit
and deny the full expression of
her uninhibited unrestrained
sexual beauty and freedom to
be who and what she chooses,
this is the problem i have with
the nation of islam, but just their
choice to fly two planes into my
home town of NYC ....
peace,
shadow,
... typo ....
"NOT just their choice
to fly two planes into my
home town of NYC" ...
also, to add, i do realize
that it was not "the religion's"
choice, ... but it is a religion/culture
that breeds suicide bombers, and that
too, is a thing i find to be a problem,
the teachings of JIHAD and such,
on a related note, i have a very high
degree of respect towards the Ba'hai'
faith, which evolved from the moslem
faith,
shadow,
look i loved ttt i spacifically liked the parts in the beginning 5 vhapters where you know her and the sweet lil boy and kinda sickly you want them to be together
I'm commenting on your Teen Slut's Saga, which I have been reading for the past days. It's well written and suspenseful, and deliciously erotic. You must be proud of it.
Ha! I didn't even get to read the stories here, 'cause I was so wrapped up in all the emotionally charged prejudicial rhetoric, the scandelous love affairs, and the veiled and annonymous threats; but I've certainly had fun!
I know you've already gotten enough advice and opinions to choke a small donkey, but what the hell, here's one more:
My ex-girlfriend dated a Muslim guy after we broke up, and her experience has been somewhat typical of others I've seen of the same type. The main difficulties for them was that there were a lot of inherent, almost unconcious cultural differences that added stress to their relationship. Firstof all, the guy loved her for how strong, intelligent, and individual she was - but that ran up against many of the cultural mores that he'd grown up with, and which his family still advocated. It led to quite a bit of internal struggle for him, and I think that happens a lot for people whose native culture holds different values from the culture in which they are living. He was surrounded by many people on a daily basis that championed his love and respect of such a strong and independent woman, and so that feeling was reinforced. But his family and his upbringing saw her as totally unacceptable, and whether or not he chose to completely identify himself with that upbringing in his current life, it still played a big role in forming the foudation of his personality and opinions. The result was that he was very inconsistent with her, and she never felt totally at ease with him.
Additionally, Western (and esecially American) culture tends to advocate a level of honesty and straight-forwardness that is not the norm in many other cultures. The things we gladly make known to strangers, many other cultures wouldn't make known to anyone outside of their families. This also led to a bit of a clash - he thought she was unreasonable in wanting to know intimate facts about his life, and she thought it was insulting that he wouldn't give her a straight answer to many of her questions - that he wouldn't "open up to her".
Anyway, I guess my point is that if you want to see this through, that's fine and good, but you should be aware that it can be a challenge to make two disparate cultures mesh. Sometimes it's not the person with whom you're having a hard time getting along, it's the modus operandi of their ancestors.
Good luck!
I check back every month or so to check if there's an update, guess she gave up or something :(
Unbelievable how DUMB some people can be.
Just read the first few Surahs of the Koran and wise up.
These people hate Christians and Jews, and their perverse "faith" is based on jealousy and hatred. They are of the devil, and belong to him alone.
Do what you need to do, but be true to yourself first.
muslims..
peaceful? yeh ok. keep lying to yourselves.
Having just read INFIDEL by Ayaan Hirst Ali a women who with Theo Van Goth, who was murdered, made a flim showing the truth how Muslim women are treated as dirt.
It is her life story and you can find out what Muslim men believe and think of women.
To be honest going out with a Muslim is the same as wanting to be a slave.
As far as those telling you Islam is a peaceful religon: that is pure Bull ****.
Ask your Muslim friend: would he renounce Islam as a condition to see you.
(A Muslim who leaves Islam is to be killed.)
Sincerely,
Richard
Fuck Me, that's one heck of a dramatic story.
His mother's just got traditional values (that a Muslim must be with a Muslim..and all that crap). It's nearly fucking 2008 woman, i'd slap her (or atleast knock her out) if i could.
I know the feeling, despite not being a Muslim. End of the day, you're with Him - not his mother no matter how she is and what she thinks of you and whatever you do. Ofcourse, it will be uncomfortable if it goes along like that. SHE needs to change.
As for him, he should respect the fact that YoU're with him and shouldnt take a whinge that you're not a Muslim. If he does, he can move to (i dont know) Indonesia for all I care. ..Yeah?
Too much time on me hands. Out
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