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From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:20:38 -0500
On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:00:50 -0400, "Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote:
The following is our thirty-ninth submission to the FishTank. It is 3,792 words in length. FishTank guidelines apply.
1) 2 positive comments
2) 2 suggestions for improvement
3) Try not to repeat!
In this case, my first big comment is something of a repeat.
I can't tell when or where this story is set. The situation is surreal, maybe something which makes sense for a satire. A 60s-style pulp sex mag story, maybe.
But some stuff seems out of place for the 60s or 70s. Maybe 80s, but then there are thing which don't fit then. I can't think of a place where all of these elements would be in place.
The story isn't about a real place. It resembles nowhere that I can think of, and the drug effects and actions seem very out of place. They fit into the anti-drug movies of the 60s, but conversely have little to do with things like the late 70s Cheech and Chong - obvious drug comedies - and others later.
The unreality is jarring, especially for those of us who lived through the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
Let's see: Marihuana is a spelling used in the 60s, but spelling it Marijuana became more US standard afterward.
Medicinal glaucoma use was not really required - nor advocated - until the 80s.
Reefer is pretty much 60s, not later (pot/weed replaced it in common use).
"I don't know, I don't know," she said, jaw quaking like a little girl's. "The horror."
That feels like right out of Apocalypse Now. Late 70s movie (darn, hard to recall what year. Maybe it was 1980, I could look it up but anyway, it dates it later than the 60s dialog.
This only matters if we try to figure out where and when this tale happens. My best take on it is it takes place in the mind of the doctor (whose name is also oddly anachronistic, not sure if an "Otto Powers" is out of place or used somewhere else, but it reminds me of Austin and that of course is way out of the period).
Same issue for the drug effects. We can't suspend disbelief, we have to admit that the whole scene is unreal. The effects are jarringly unreal, and of course any of us with the right experiences sees that right off.'
So, is it OK for it to be unreal in both setting and situations?
As a parody, I think it can work, maybe. But it feels a little like some anti-drug thing presented by someone whose only knowledge of that lifestyle comes from government-sponsored anti-drug propaganda, with data garnered in the late 80s (maybe even 90s?). Or maybe a satire?
As such it is funny. But I think that it needs to be spelled out just a little more.
Elaine and Grant fit right into the illusionary setting. Their starting lifestyle was the ordinary yuppie-ish sort of couple moving to the suburbs, roughly 1960s or early 70s ambitions (the tone changes some if you set it later than that). I liked how they interacted. The live and let live philosophy about the neighbors was good.
It was cool how Grant seemed to accept the changes to some degree too. Not falling into the scene himself (that makes it into a swinging story, therefore a good thing for pro-drug life), he still gets the benefits for quite a while.
The ending "nightmare" prediction of the doctor (outrageous claims for drug effects revealed as reality) is quite nice, if you are doing sendoff of the antidrug propaganda. OTOH, it is so serious in tone that you could take it as such propaganda, rather than a satire.
Jeff
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From: Conjugate
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:34:59 -0400
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cebc56a$0$3334$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ...
On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:00:50 -0400, "Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote:
"I don't know, I don't know," she said, jaw quaking like a little girl's. "The horror."
That feels like right out of Apocalypse Now. Late 70s movie (darn, hard to recall what year. Maybe it was 1980, I could look it up but anyway, it dates it later than the 60s dialog.
Wrong! Apocalypse Now was based on Joseph Conrad's The Heart of Darkness, including the cry of "The Horror! The Horror!" It's a good book; read it.
Conjugate
From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:39:26 -0500
On Wed, 22 May 2002 19:34:59 -0400, "Conjugate" <conjugate@butter.toast.net> wrote:
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cebc56a$0$3334$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ... On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:00:50 -0400, "Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote:
"I don't know, I don't know," she said, jaw quaking like a little girl's. "The horror."
That feels like right out of Apocalypse Now. Late 70s movie (darn, hard to recall what year. Maybe it was 1980, I could look it up but anyway, it dates it later than the 60s dialog.
Wrong! Apocalypse Now was based on Joseph Conrad's The Heart of Darkness, including the cry of "The Horror! The Horror!" It's a good book; read it.
Hmm, but culturally the movie had more impact, IMHO. So if someone was quoting it, that suggests seeing the movie.
Not a guarantee. I haven't read the book either :-) and that might factor into my feeling about the situation.
Anyway, it wasn't the only thing which suggested that the tale happened in a time warp rather than a particular time. But for a satire/pulp story, mixing up things from different times and places might be just fine, like I said. It just is confusing for anyone familiar with the place.
Whereas it isn't confusing at all to have Kublai Khan and Caesar of Rome meet and make a treaty in a story set in ancient times.
At least, depending on your knowledge of history :-) All those things happened long ago, and isn't "long ago" one time?
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/ For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
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From: celia batau
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:42:51 -0700
hi!
"Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote in message news:uei3p7ip1ikf42@news.supernews.com ...
The following is our thirty-ninth submission to the FishTank. It is 3,792 words in length. FishTank guidelines apply.
1) 2 positive comments
2) 2 suggestions for improvement
3) Try not to repeat!
we know! we know! it's Hunter S. Thompson and Oscar Zeta Ocosta hanging in the airport terminal, yanking phones out of the walls! no! no! it's Hewlett and Dewit with their kangaroos and a tank! um, actually, we think we kind of got lost. :)
the story switched from groovy to rom in a weird way. but we really don't know pulp, so we're prolly not the best help. :(
-cb
MY WIFE, MARIHUANA WHORE (wife, pulp) by Fresh Sto
From: Qickless
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: 24 May 2002 05:26:59 -0700
"Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote in message news:<uei3p7ip1ikf42@news.supernews.com> ...
The following is our thirty-ninth submission to the FishTank. It is 3,792 words in length. FishTank guidelines apply.
1) 2 positive comments
2) 2 suggestions for improvement
3) Try not to repeat!
If the aim is to make it surreal, then the author has succeeded wholeheartedly. I like the way the action revolves around the marihuana - small things like the lowercase letter for sapphire, the fact that they are "close to the door" when they're kissing are little interesting details that make the narration effective - again if the aim is to make it surreal.
If the aim is humour, hmm, or perhaps satire, the narrative is broken up with regard to effectiveness. While the introduction packs a good number of sly references, the ending lacks the solid punch that comes with effective satire; in between, at best, this is dry. I'd hoped that the story would not end where it has since that's the way most such ones end, perhaps you could continue and suggest a definite conclusion(this will spoil point no 1)
The sex? Again quite well written if it is placed by itself, but when integrated into the narrative, it loses most of it's effectiveness, as too much of obscurity blanks any imagination at all. Nevertheless some of the word expressions are good. My suggestion here would be a bit more of explicit description to make it come alive.(but again, this will spoil point no 1)
My conclusion? This work is like many pieces of coloured glass stuck together to make a whole. Try and imagine a spinwheel of seven colours, if it is not whirled fast enough, what comes out is too ineffective to 1)arouse or 2)convey what you are trying to say. Again, if your intention is to be deliberately vague, this is one of the best stories that does that.
From: john
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: 24 May 2002 21:48:52 -0700
The following is our thirty-ninth submission to the FishTank. It is 3,792 words in length. FishTank guidelines apply.
Fresh Sto! Thank you! I rarely LOL although I write it all the time. I did. From your mention of Tupperware [How could one use that word and there be any doubt your tongue was not implanted in your cheek?] to "Happypants" you had me rolling on my isle! It is refreshing to laugh about sex. It's far too often serious amongst us "serious" writers.
I didn't get all the drug humour I'm sure. No matter, I don't get all of anything. The lack of historicity pointed out by others seems of little consequence to me. Hornytown! O yes! That I think is what's important. You dance so well with the absurd!
Ok. Good: Well, you were funny. How easy is that? Not very. Kudos. And language. Lots of zinger images!
even tomato rice soup and grilled cheese sandwiches were the furthest things from my mind.
Elaine and I are 100-percent pro-free spirit
We both felt honeymoony..
Improvements? First, tiny things:
I had a mind to stop it right there, but something made me stop [2 stops.]
I snuck away to the car. [Is snuck a word these days? in the USA?]
Unmoored, I [It seemed too elegant an invention for this piece or
this character.]
More seriously I found the ending tedious. The psychiatrist seemed too extreme, too informative. The line-up at his door, outrageous. Forced perhaps. I think , in comedy, there is a point where the absurd, when it gets too absurd, becomes insulting. I'm thinking of Kinsella or Vonnegut. It's a very delicate touch, the ending. You've teased the reader into Grant being ridiculously naive and Lainey incredibly sexy in her innocence. It seems only a baby step further for Grant to become simply ridiculous and Elaine incredible. For me you took that step, and I was a bit disappointed. For more literate readers, perhaps it was just right.
I loved your writing. You did extremely well for most of it! I loved it, really.
John
From: Souvie
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:04:14 GMT
On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:00:50 -0400, "Desdmona" <me@desdmona.com> wrote:
The following is our thirty-ninth submission to the FishTank. It is 3,792 words in length. FishTank guidelines apply.
1) 2 positive comments
2) 2 suggestions for improvement
3) Try not to repeat!
Yes ma'am!
Positive:
I read this as a parody (not sure of what yet) or satire, and so I found it very funny.
Another positive is that it was well-written (grammar, punctuation, run-on-sentence wise). I like stories where I don't have to guess what the words are supposed to be.
Negative:
Drugs in any shape or form just don't do it for me. While I enjoyed the story overall, it didn't turn me on in any way shape or form, mainly because of the drug use.
Another negative is that it seems people aren't sure what kind of story this is: funny, satire, parody, serious. If that were made a little more clear at the beginning, perhaps in the disclaimer or some type of "Author's Note" people would have the right frame of mind when they went to read it.
- Souvie
From: Pillory Hillary
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: 28 May 2002 21:58:19 GMT
Last week was a lot of fun, receiving that much useful feedback. My thanks to all who took the time ...
Bradley Stoke: Maybe it's a mark of clever satire to create that ambiguity in the reader's head, or maybe not, but I didn't want to break my poker face. Like watching a John Waters movie, you have to decide whether it's everyone else who is crazy, or only you (not that I am anywhere in Waters's league). I like your suggestion of including a specific social reference (maybe I'll go with Sputnik). Or perhaps I should keep it murky. You've given me something to consider. Plus I had to learn "paracetamol."
Jeff Zephyr: I'm grateful for your pointing out that medicinal marijuana for glaucoma was not recognized until the 1980s. Likewise, the unintended reference ("the horror") to Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now, a distraction that needs to be changed. You also picked up on the spelling of marihuana, bless you. You have a keen eye for continuity.
Conjugate: I love Heart of Darkness.
Jeff Zephyr: Read Heart of Darkness. Conrad was an exciting writer, one of my favorites.
celia batau: You got lost, but you were on to the zaniness angle, and so I am pleased as punch.
Qickless: Any vagueness was unintended. Per your suggestions, I will take a good hard look at beefing up the sex scenes, especially to redress that "dry" comment: that's the last thing I want to be.
Mat Twassal: Yes, those sentences grated on me too. There were a few others. Now that I've been away from the story for more than a week, I will set upon repairs.
John: You are a tonic for my ego! I'm glad it entertained you, cheers. Like Qickless, you remarked that I blew the ending, but I don't know how to fix it. Not that I don't agree with you both, but I'm not sure it deserves another, as that is what naturally flowed from the pen after the two ridiculous scenes preceding. I'm not afraid to revise however, and will bat the story around in my head a while longer.
Souvie: I'm glad you appreciated the satire. From my own biases as a reader, I generally dislike authors notes, but since I used those codes after the title, I should probably come down off of my high horse, eh?
Desdmona: Thank you for your kind praise, and for letting me run the story through your group. I agree with both your criticisms: introducing the name Grant too late in the story (hadn't realized I had done that, because that kind of thing confuses me too), and having the wife leap too quickly to her life of pure debauchery. Your idea of an intermediate scene might be just the thing for tying this one up.
Thanks again, all. This was fun!
Fresh Sto
From: dennyw
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:23:51 -0700
On 28 May 2002 21:58:19 GMT, pilloryhillary@aol.com (Pillory Hillary) held forth, saying:
Jeff Zephyr: I'm grateful for your pointing out that medicinal marijuana for glaucoma was not recognized until the 1980s.
I didn't read Jeff's comments - but he's wrong if he said that. My mother (who suffered from glaucoma) was well-aware of marijuana's salutary effect - this would be the early 70s. (she died the last night of 1980) She didn't use it - would have, if a doc had been able to prescribe, though.
-denny-
nocturnal curmudgeon, editor
Never try to outstubborn a cat. - Lazarus Long
From: dennyw
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:23:51 -0700
On 28 May 2002 21:58:19 GMT, pilloryhillary@aol.com (Pillory Hillary) held forth, saying:
Jeff Zephyr: I'm grateful for your pointing out that medicinal marijuana for glaucoma was not recognized until the 1980s.
I didn't read Jeff's comments - but he's wrong if he said that. My mother (who suffered from glaucoma) was well-aware of marijuana's salutary effect - this would be the early 70s. (she died the last night of 1980) She didn't use it - would have, if a doc had been able to prescribe, though.
-denny-
nocturnal curmudgeon, editor
Never try to outstubborn a cat. - Lazarus Long
From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:18:20 -0500
On Wed, 29 May 2002 02:23:51 -0700,
dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
On 28 May 2002 21:58:19 GMT, pilloryhillary@aol.com (Pillory Hillary) held forth, saying:
Jeff Zephyr: I'm grateful for your pointing out that medicinal marijuana for glaucoma was not recognized until the 1980s.
I didn't read Jeff's comments - but he's wrong if he said that. My mother (who suffered from glaucoma) was well-aware of marijuana's salutary effect - this would be the early 70s. (she died the last night of 1980) She didn't use it - would have, if a doc had been able to prescribe, though.
I didn't hear about it as an explanation (and reason for legalization) until the late 70s. In the tale, since Grant hadn't heard of it either, it might not be out of place, whereas if set in the 80s it might be more familiar.
OTOH, those people with no exposure to the drug culture might have no clue at all. I don't know who those people where, if they lived through the 70s :-)
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/ For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
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From: dennyw
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:09:46 -0700
On Wed, 29 May 2002 11:18:20 -0500, Jeff Zephyr <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> held forth, saying:
OTOH, those people with no exposure to the drug culture might have no clue at all. I don't know who those people where, if they lived through the 70s :-)
Newt Gingrich's parents.
-denny-
nocturnal curmudgeon, editor
Never try to outstubborn a cat. - Lazarus Long
From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:52:52 -0500
On Wed, 29 May 2002 12:09:46 -0700,
dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2002 11:18:20 -0500, Jeff Zephyr <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> held forth, saying:
OTOH, those people with no exposure to the drug culture might have no clue at all. I don't know who those people where, if they lived through the 70s :-)
Newt Gingrich's parents.
OK.
I guess there might be a few examples out there. It just seems like it would be hard to find a huge number.
OTOH, it probably isn't too hard to find those who don't get the references. Not everyone got around to trying the stuff, despite the way some movies seem to go.
Jeff
Web site at http://www.asstr.org/~jeffzephyr/ For FTP, ftp://ftp.asstr.org/pub/Authors/jeffzephyr/
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From: Ray
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:53:30 -0400
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cf4ff90$0$3340$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ...
On Wed, 29 May 2002 02:23:51 -0700,
dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.invalid wrote:
On 28 May 2002 21:58:19 GMT, pilloryhillary@aol.com (Pillory Hillary) held forth, saying:
OTOH, those people with no exposure to the drug culture might have no clue at all. I don't know who those people where, if they lived through the 70s :-) -
Jeff,
Can't say much for the 70s, spent the majority of that decade in Military Dormitories, Quonset Huts and Barracks. Never been in one that didn't have a trace of reefer in the air, not even the officers Barracks.
As for the 60's, and my neighborhood, while most of the kids carried a joint behind their ear, there was this one duufus kid about three doors down who seemed to think everyone was carrying hand rolled cigarettes.
hmm.
Ray
From: celia batau
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700
hi Ray!
"Ray" <ray1031@ cac.net> wrote in message news:34cJ8.167$r46.111787@newsfeed.slurp.net ...
As for the 60's, and my neighborhood, while most of the kids carried a joint behind their ear, there was this one duufus kid about three doors down who seemed to think everyone was carrying hand rolled cigarettes.
you mean real live ppl actually did that? like in the documentaries where everyone's wearing really horrible clothes and don't bathe? :)
prolly be more fun than the ecstacy and pot we were exposed to. kind of hard to put pills or a pipe behind the ear, huh? :)
-celia (like we need drugs?)
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From: dennyw
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:13:12 -0700
On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> held forth, saying:
-celia (like we need drugs?)
Post of the Week
-denny-
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From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:36:39 -0500
On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote:
hi Ray!
"Ray" <ray1031@ cac.net> wrote in message news:34cJ8.167$r46.111787@newsfeed.slurp.net ... As for the 60's, and my neighborhood, while most of the kids carried a joint behind their ear, there was this one duufus kid about three doors down who seemed to think everyone was carrying hand rolled cigarettes.
you mean real live ppl actually did that? like in the documentaries where everyone's wearing really horrible clothes and don't bathe? :)
Put cigarettes behind the ear? Or the alternative sort of tobacco in hand rolled ones behind the ear?
Actually, if you used a rolling machine - lots of people had them, and still have to keep tobacco cigarette costs down - you can make them look rather not hand-rolled. In some parts, too, hand-rolling isn't uncommon.
Still, once someone lighted one up, wouldn't the flavor of the smoke be a giveaway?
prolly be more fun than the ecstacy and pot we were exposed to. kind of hard to put pills or a pipe behind the ear, huh? :)
No, pipes are nicer to use, but a little harder to fake. OTOH, you can always pretend it is for tobacco. Or other legal herbs.
Pills, you can just hide them. No need to keep one convenient, or show it off as a status symbol.
-celia (like we need drugs?)
Need? Well, there are some nice medicinal ones which would be bad to do without.
But I figure that anyone who thinks they need alcohol and tobacco is probably too messed up to introduce to other drugs. Wanting them, though, is an entirely different matter.
The stuff which is legal isn't that much different from much which is illegal, as far as health risks go. Some of the illegal ones are even safer. Not safe - but then, the legal stuff isn't safe either.
Jeff
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From: Ray
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:19:14 -0400
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cf6a9c1$0$1415$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ...
On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote:
hi Ray!
Snippage
Need? Well, there are some nice medicinal ones which would be bad to do without.
But I figure that anyone who thinks they need alcohol and tobacco is probably too messed up to introduce to other drugs. Wanting them, though, is an entirely different matter.
The stuff which is legal isn't that much different from much which is illegal, as far as health risks go. Some of the illegal ones are even safer. Not safe - but then, the legal stuff isn't safe either. -
I have to whole heartedly agree with this. I keep seeing the advertisements for the 'new' drugs (prescription only) on television and the softly and quickly uttered disclaimers they have to announce about side effects. Some seem worse than what they are supposed to fix.
First one coming to mind was for an anti-allergy medication. Claims 100% effectiveness and non-drowsy. Then in the disclaimer - " ... may cause headaches, some body aches, dry to sore throat, and tiredness." Hmm, headaches, body aches, dry to sore throat - all standard allergy symptoms for many people. I also think the distinction between non-drowsy and tiredness is nit-picky on their part. If it makes you tired, it can cause drowsiness.
Maybe they should say: "It won't make you fall asleep on the the streets, but ...." <G>
Ray
Jeff
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From: celia batau
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:28:18 -0700
hi Jeff!
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cf6a9c1$0$1415$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ...
On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote: prolly be more fun than the ecstacy and pot we were exposed to. kind of hard to put pills or a pipe behind the ear, huh? :)
No, pipes are nicer to use, but a little harder to fake. OTOH, you can always pretend it is for tobacco. Or other legal herbs.
the first stuff was alcohol. getting older ppl to buy it or meeting up with friends. we used to carry vodka around with us. or getting it from ppl in clubs (but you have to be really careful) and it was usually beer. <blech> :)
Need? Well, there are some nice medicinal ones which would be bad to do without.
yeah. we're on two anti-psychotics and an anti-depressant. fun. :(
-cb
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From: Souvie
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:59:02 GMT
On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:28:18 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote:
yeah. we're on two anti-psychotics and an anti-depressant. fun. :(
My 7 yr. old brother is on medication for obsessive/compulsive disorder. There are some days when he's more one than the other. I'd rather have the compulsive than the obsessive. He is fascinated with blood (his own or others, he doesn't care) and also with sniffing things. He has to smell EVERYTHING and I do mean everything.
- Souvie
From: celia batau
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:38:10 -0700
hi Souvie!
"Souvie" <femmeecrivain@netdot.com> wrote in message news:3cf710c4.54797473@news.onramp.net ...
My 7 yr. old brother is on medication for obsessive/compulsive disorder. There are some days when he's more one than the other. I'd rather have the compulsive than the obsessive. He is fascinated with blood (his own or others, he doesn't care) and also with sniffing things. He has to smell EVERYTHING and I do mean everything.
we're sad that your brother has to go through that. :( obsessive compulsive can be difficult. :( how long does he have to take the medicine?
-cb
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From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:22:17 -0500
On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:28:18 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote:
hi Jeff!
"Jeff Zephyr" <jeffzeph@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3cf6a9c1$0$1415$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com ... On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:27:12 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote: prolly be more fun than the ecstacy and pot we were exposed to. kind of hard to put pills or a pipe behind the ear, huh? :)
No, pipes are nicer to use, but a little harder to fake. OTOH, you can always pretend it is for tobacco. Or other legal herbs.
the first stuff was alcohol. getting older ppl to buy it or meeting up with friends. we used to carry vodka around with us. or getting it from ppl in clubs (but you have to be really careful) and it was usually beer. <blech> :)
Alcohol was just too easy to get. No need to even buy it, as long as we had parents who had large stocks they didn't check :-(
Beer is OK. An acquired taste, some are much better than others. It was first for me, too. Well, all my life more or less if you count getting sips from parents and family friends as a baby :-) I didn't try to drink it to get really drunk until I was 12.
Like cigarettes - which other 12 yo's in school smoked if they were cool - you were supposed to drink. It was how cool kids acted, and how our cool (more or less) parents did things. I did think that the passing out and throwing up part was stupid, and gave it up for a while.
For other things, yeah, I want to know that i can trust who gives it to me. Too much bad stuff out there. Having a friend die at 13 was a real turn-off from that stuff (sadly, it only slowed things down. But it did make me a lot more cautious forever).
I don't know. I figure that Eminem's advice to kids ("Don't do drugs. Leave them for me.") isn't too bad. But it is really hard if the people you're with are doing them, and you can't think of a good reason not to try it a little.
Need? Well, there are some nice medicinal ones which would be bad to do without.
yeah. we're on two anti-psychotics and an anti-depressant. fun. :(
Yep :-)
I don't like side effects, but the positive benefits are worth the trouble.
Still, you know those "The anti-drug" ads they have on TV? I'd like to see them do one like mine:
Sex: The anti-drug.
You need this teen (boy or girl, it doesn't matter) who says, "I like to get laid all the time. I get really close with my (SO), and it makes us happier than any drug. We try to do it morning, noon, and night, whenever we can. I feel really good about life. It even helps me study better for school."
Then, he/she says: "Sex. That is my anti-drug."
What do you think?
Seriously, I find it a very nice antidepressant. Might explain some of my life, you know, thinking of it like that.
Jeff
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From: Jeff Zephyr
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:26:37 -0500
On Fri, 31 May 2002 05:59:02 GMT, femmeecrivain@netdot.com (Souvie) wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:28:18 -0700, "celia batau" <pinataheart@bigplanet.com> wrote:
yeah. we're on two anti-psychotics and an anti-depressant. fun. :(
My 7 yr. old brother is on medication for obsessive/compulsive disorder. There are some days when he's more one than the other. I'd rather have the compulsive than the obsessive. He is fascinated with blood (his own or others, he doesn't care) and also with sniffing things. He has to smell EVERYTHING and I do mean everything.
It is good when the medicines can make some difference. A lot of people suffer from OCD (and lots of other things) and it isn't always recognized or treated. Sometimes, it is relatively mild. My sister's OCD shows up mostly as compulsive cleaning. Using disinfectant to clean the bathroom every day, staying up all night to scrub the kitchen, stuff like that. Not totally bad, but something that interferes with whatever she really needed to be doing.
Jeff
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From: Bradley Stoke
Re: My Wife, Marihuana Whore, by Fresh Sto
Date: 20 May 2002 16:00:13 -0700
I must admit I had problems with this.
My problem was whether Fresh Sto is being a subtle satirist in his portrayal of a fanciful 1960s pulp fiction fantasy where the absurd claims that dope ever does that much to you are actually true. Or whether Fresh Sto is really living in this hicky, incredibly implausible universe. If the latter, then quite clearly he has never touched anything stronger than paracetamol, if he thinks a bit of shit is going to make anyone into some kind of sex-crazed, libidinous nympho (or something). If that had been so then so many of my evenings, mornings and nights wouldn't have been so thoroughly wasted.
However, I'm convinced that Fresh Sto is being a satirist here. And in those terms, I think this story is a cracker. He really captures that claustrophobic, rather unpleasant, inwardly looking universe of bundt cakes (is that a subtle joke?), garden sprinklers, sales conventions and rather limited horizons. It was difficult to read about, but I'm sure a world of such two dimensional ignorance exists. "Psychedelic music" for fuck's sake! Do people still listen to the Electric Prunes and the Thirteenth Floor Elevators? Perhaps in this wierd corner of middle America, they genuinely skinny dip, pass reefers like it was the hottest shit, listen to old Mamas and Papas, Jefferson Airplane and Turtles records (all those hippy dippy folky vocals - Gram Parsons! Hell on a stick!) However, it was gloriously hick.
So for satire evoking those appalling anti-dope movies of the 60s and as a satirical evocation of a life of domestic bliss, there are my two pozzies.
As far as ways to improve it are concerned. (1) Either the satire is quite subtle or it's absent altogether. We need more evidence of Fresh Sto's real opinions. It's almost as if he believes some of what he says. (2) This is clearly set in the 60s. The language ("nowheresville" for example) is so much of that period. However, a few more contemporary references, like Richard Nixon, the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King, might have made this more apparent.
Great satire. Well done.
Bradley Stoke
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